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Contrabass Conversations

Contrabass Conversations

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218: Arnold Schnitzer on dirty jobs, ergonomic basses, and maker competitions

Double bass luthier Arnold Schnitzer

Double bass luthier Arnold Schnitzer

Today we feature double bass luthier Arnold Schnitzer.  Arnold has had an interesting career path, from gigging around the East Coast as a youth to entering the corporate world and finally finding his way to the word of instrument repair.  We talk about a wide range of topics, including information versus knowledge, wisdom, and street smarts, and the perils and pitfalls of the information age.

We also dig into Mike Rowe‘s Dirty Jobs (there’s a great interview with him on the Tim Ferriss podcast) – this all starts about 20 minutes into the actual interview – and training people for the jobs that actually exist, and the “in-between” jobs.  This is quite a conversation—be sure to check this out.  There’s a lot of food for thought here.

We also get deep into instrument construction, setup, maker competitions, wolf tones, and the Oberlin Bass Workshop, which Arnold serves on the faculty for and which sounds like a very cool event.  I know that you’re really going to enjoy this conversation with the always interesting Arnold Schnitzer!

Interview Highlights

Early Years

  • born in Miami Beach (South Beach), FL
  • moved up to Far Rockaway, NJ when he was young – dad was in construction
  • dad got them a boat but Arnold and siblings had to figure out money for gas and fix it up
  • his story of getting this Bohemian bass in his late 30s while working corporate recruiting gig and making good money but hating the job and basically just figuring out on his own (consulting people along the way) how to take this old beater bass apart and totally reconstruct it

Information versus Knowledge

  • we talk about information vs. knowledge/wisdom/street smarts – this is an illuminating discussion
  • Arnold is a jazz musician from way back, and he sees instrument repair as a constant improvisation
  • we talk about Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs (there’s a great interview with him on the Tim Ferriss podcast) – this all starts about 20 minutes into the actual interview
    • alternate paths to going to college for x, y, z – people getting trained for the jobs that actually exist
    • traditional jobs are disappearing
    • the in-between jobs are the ones that aren’t going away – electrician, plumber, instrument repair, air conditioning service – and these can pay really well!
    • training people for jobs that have gone out of vogue
  • being a luthier does involve working with your hands, but it really involves working with your brain – problem solving with your command center

The Future of Employment 

  • looking at predictions of jobs in the future and the rise of the worker less economy, think twice about going to college and racking up $100,000 in student loans
  • musicians are the most conservative people on the planet… especially rock & rollers

Double Bass Setup and Construction

  • ergonomic contrabass – thought it up while on painkillers
  • wolf tones on the bass
    • all basses will have some wolfiness
  • clarity mainly comes from setup rather than construction
    • what brands of strings can help with clarity
    • other adjustments that can be made to help with clarity
  • thoughts on maker competitions – judges are looking at basses through the eyes of the violin world
  • motto of Oberlin Bass Society: “everyone teaches, everyone learns”
http://traffic.libsyn.com/contrabassconversations/CBC_218_-_Arnold_Schnitzer_Interview.mp3

217: Jerry Fuller on early music, creativity, and business world lessons

Double bassist and early music specialist Jerry Fuller

Double bassist and early music specialist Jerry Fuller

Today’s episode features double bassist Jerry Fuller.  I’ve known Jerry for well over a decade at this point and have found him to be such an interesting person.  Jerry is best known in the music world for his work in period performance—in fact, he won an award for historically informed performance from the International Society of Bassists in 2015, and he is also a former ISB board member.

Continue Reading …

http://traffic.libsyn.com/contrabassconversations/CBC_217_-_Jerry_Fuller_Interview.mp3

216: Todd Coolman on jazz bass lines, recording projects, and classical foundations

Jazz double bassist Todd Coolman

Jazz double bassist Todd Coolman

Today’s podcast features an interview with Todd Coolman, who has just released his latest album Collectibles.  Todd is actually playing a CD release event tonight at Smoke Jazz Club in New York City to celebrate the release of the album, which also features Bill Cunliffe on piano and Dennis Mackrel on drums.  This is the second time Todd has appeared on the podcast—you can hear his interview with Win Hinkle in our archives.

Todd and I cover all sorts of interesting topics in this interview, including his experiences moving from a full-time faculty position down to part-time and the opportunities that opens up for him.  We talk about his classical foundation on the bass and dig into classical and jazz crossover and how lessons learned in one genre are valuable in the other.  We also talk about skills the modern music student needs to be successful and what colleges can do to help facilitate this, and we get into details about recording this new album.

If you enjoyed this episode, check out our interviews with Carlos Henriquez, Chuck Israels, Larry Gray, Ron Carter, Lynn Seaton, and Rufus Reid!

http://traffic.libsyn.com/contrabassconversations/CBC_216_-_Todd_Coolman_Round_2.mp3

215: Robin Kesselman on audition strategies, injury recovery, and bow arm practicing

Houston Symphony principal bassist Robin Kesselman

Houston Symphony principal bassist Robin Kesselman

Today’s episode features Houston Symphony principal bassist Robin Kesselman.  Robin studied with David Allen Moore and Paul Ellison at the Coburn School of Music and the University of Southern California, and with Hal Robinson and Edgar Meyer at the Curtis Institute of Music.  He has also performed as Guest Principal Bass with the Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra, travelled internationally with both the Philadelphia Orchestra and the Los Angeles Philharmonic, and performed with the National, Atlanta, and Baltimore Symphonies.

During Robin’s time at USC, he sustained a playing injury that took him out of commission for a prolonged period.  We dig into how Robin ultimately recovered from this and how it changed his approach to practicing and performing on the bass, and how he practiced while he was out of commission.  This was a left arm injury, and Robin continued to practice open string and harmonics with the bow, going into his lessons and working on the Bottesini Concerto on open strings.  We also discuss how Robin approaches the audition process: his preparation strategies, his musical goals for an audition, and using visualization techniques.

We also feature excerpts from Krzysztof Penderecki’s Duo Concertante with Eunice Kim on violin.  Enjoy!

Interview Highlights

Discoveries During Playing Injury:

  • sitting in practice room – “this hurts, but it also still sounds bad” – the mistake of pushing through pain
  • this time spent not using his left hand ultimately took his bow game to a new level – he spent large amounts of time just practicing with the right hand – playing solos and excerpts on open strings / harmonics in lessons!
  • “the building blocks with which I was making my shapes were not completely honest” – referring to the bow arm
  • mental practice / visualization – he got into this during this time period
  • learning the difference between an ache and something more serious

Thoughts on Auditioning:

  • there’s nothing that isn’t practicable
  • timing and pulse
  • mathematical pulse/note division vs. feeling right
  • the fallacy of perfect audition rounds
  • similarities between prepping for an audition and a recital
  • auditions have to be an artistic endeavor and about musical expression
  • if you walk out and your whole goal is to play notes that are even and in tune, the second that one note isn’t exactly the same as another note you officially have nothing left to offer, because your single goal has crumbled
  • if your goal is to make lines and to make shapes and be expressive, it’s ok if one note is a little shorter than the others
  • philosophy from David: as soon as you come in and things are in tune and in time, you are officially at zero

The Audition Process in Detail:

  • record constantly during this whole process -throughout the whole day
  • first 50% of the interval
    • really hibernate and work things super slow – considerably under 50% tempo
    • move something up 40 clicks over a period of weeks
    • A and B lists that kind of parallel each other (one Mozart Symphony on one and one on the other, for example)
    • doesn’t play for anyone during this time – nothing’s put together – it’s all really cut up at this point
  • next 25%
    • buff out the edges, smooth out the music, give it a shine
    • playing with recordings, getting the flow right
  • last 25%
    • take the show on the road, play for anybody and everybody, start setting up mock auditions and lessons with other (non-bass) instrumentalists
  • the last week
    • go back to “hibernating”
    • stop playing for people – running rounds – 4-5 excerpts in a row
  • hours wise it’s similar through he whole process, but the hours are being used differently
  • all the way until audition time, there was never a day/time when he could not continue to make things better
  • have a specific game plan for those 20 minutes of warm-up once you arrive at the hall
  • bass players don’t hire bassists – committees of other instrumentalists do
http://traffic.libsyn.com/contrabassconversations/CBC_215_-_Robin_Kesselman_Interview.mp3

213: Leon Bosch – the Sherlock Holmes of the double bass

double bass virtuoso Leon Bosch

double bass virtuoso Leon Bosch

Leon Bosch is a remarkable figure in the world of the double bass.  From his early years growing up in South Africa to his long tenure with the Academy of St Martin in the Fields and his proliferation of solo projects, Leon has approached each challenge with a focus and determination that are incredibly inspiring. This is a “must listen” episode for any musician eager to realize their greatest potential.

After retiring from the Academy of St Martin in the Fields to devote himself fully to solo, chamber, and conducting projects, Leon has been working to bring undiscovered treasures of the repertoire to light and to encourage new works for the double bass from composers. New composition are being written for Leon from South African composer Péter Louis van Dijk, British composer Paul Patterson, and American jazz icon Wynton Marsalis.

This episode is sponsored by Discover Double Bass, and they have a course on bowing technique with Lauren Pierce that I highly recommend checking out.  This course is divided into 37 HD lessons, and Lauren gives a short video overview of the three categories that these videos cover: the basics, bow control, and real world techniques.  There’s also a free preview lesson on phrasing with the bow—check it out!

We feature excerpts from Leon’s latest album throughout the episode.  Check out Leon’s excellent albums (available both as digital downloads and CDs):

  • Music of Rankl Sprongl & Hindemith (latest album)
  • British Double Bass
  • Russian Double Bass
  • Catalan Virtuoso
  • Virtuoso Double Bass Vol. 1 – Giovanni Bottesini
  • Virtuoso Double Bass Vol. 2 – Giovanni Bottesini
  • Pedro Valls – Music for Double Bass & Piano
 If you’re enjoying these episodes, I’d love it if you’d give us a quick review on iTunes!  These reviews help us with discoverability and they give me great feedback about how I can keep working on the podcast to make it as valuable as possible for you.  Leave a quick star rating and if you could even jot down a sentence or two that would be great.  You can also leave a review for our iOS, Android, and Kindle apps.
http://traffic.libsyn.com/contrabassconversations/CBC_213_-_Leon_Bosch_Interview.mp3
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